Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
"But have you considered substitutability?" Pretending to smile lightly, Carrodite continued, "We all know that technology is developing very fast. Maybe after a few years, there will be other products with greater potential. When new materials appear, are you sure your patent will still sell for a higher price?"
The more talented people speak with strength, the more they hate glib words.
How much money has the industry spent on lithium anodes? Don’t you have some ideas in mind
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
"Okay, let's put aside the acquisition for now. At what price do you plan to license the patent?"
joke.
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
The estimated global demand for lithium battery anode materials in 2016 is 138,000 tons. Judging from the current statistics, this year's actual demand should be basically consistent with expectations.
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
So when he introduced himself, he didn't go around too much and directly told Lu Zhou that he was the CEO of Umicore. After handing over his business card, he explained his purpose.
As if he had made some kind of decision, he stared at Lu Zhou with bright eyes and said only one sentence.
Seeing that Lu Zhou had no intention of compromising, Carrodite sighed.
"Four years at most, this is my bottom line. If we cooperate well after four years, I will consider renewing the contract with you at a new price. Or, I believe that Nichia and 3M will be very satisfied with the same contract. interest."
The estimated global demand for lithium battery anode materials in 2016 is 138,000 tons. Judging from the current statistics, this year's actual demand should be basically consistent with expectations.
"There is no comparison." Lu Zhou smiled and shook his head. "LFP material is just a cathode material with cost advantages. And don't think I don't know. The $10 million you mentioned is just the entry threshold. Every ton of LFP you produce For materials, you have to pay US$2,000 to a subsidiary of Clariant Group.”
For Lu Zhou, the most profit-maximizing cooperation method is undoubtedly to charge a patent fee based on a certain proportion of the cost of each ton of materials.
Lu Zhou's heart skipped a beat when he heard this number.
"I asked straight to the point. I wonder if Professor Lu has any plans to sell the patent?"
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
After decades of burning so much money, this problem has not been solved. Not necessarily after the funding was cut, but which research institute found a new way to solve this problem
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
"No."
"Four years at most, this is my bottom line. If we cooperate well after four years, I will consider renewing the contract with you at a new price. Or, I believe that Nichia and 3M will be very satisfied with the same contract. interest."
With Lu Zhou's current ability, he would definitely not be able to perform these tricks.
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
Carrodite: "..."
The trouble is, however, that the system's tasks don't wait for anyone.
He coughed twice to hide his embarrassment. He reorganized his words and tried to persuade: "Aren't you going to ask about the price? What if our quotation can satisfy you?"
Although this data corresponds to graphite material and cannot be directly converted into equivalent lithium anode materials, it still has a certain reference value.
But Umicore is different.
Carrodite, who had just organized the words in his mind, almost choked on Lu Zhou's words.
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
Seeing that Lu Zhou had no intention of compromising, Carrodite sighed.
For him, this is not just a matter of money, but also 400,000 free experience behind it...
He coughed twice to hide his embarrassment. He reorganized his words and tried to persuade: "Aren't you going to ask about the price? What if our quotation can satisfy you?"
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
After decades of burning so much money, this problem has not been solved. Not necessarily after the funding was cut, but which research institute found a new way to solve this problem
Over the past three years, Lu Zhou has been able to continue to receive considerable patent licensing fees, and Umicore has been able to gain the market competitiveness it wants.
joke.
"It makes no sense to talk about this now," Lu Zhou gently put down the knife and fork in his hand and said in a relaxed tone, "How high can you charge? 10 billion or 20 billion? Lithium battery technology has just started, and the negative electrode material No one can say how big the market will be in the end. Even if I plan to package and sell the patent for modified PDMS films, I won’t do it at this time.”
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
"I'm willing to take that risk."
In this regard, the interests of both parties are aligned.
Ten billion is obviously impossible. Lu Zhou reported it casually.
Although this data corresponds to graphite material and cannot be directly converted into equivalent lithium anode materials, it still has a certain reference value.
"During the three-year period, you will enjoy substantial exclusive patent authorization for the global market outside of China, and I will no longer authorize additional third parties. In exchange, you will receive secondary authorizations from third parties. I need to share 50% of the direct or indirect profits, and at the same time bear all corresponding legal obligations and responsibilities."
Theoretically, even if Umicore paid a sky-high price that Lu Zhou could not refuse, it would not be able to monopolize the production of the product for twenty years and arbitrarily exclude other companies.
Maybe the lithium-sulfur battery still lying in the laboratory is worth this price, but it is absolutely impossible for the lithium anode material alone.
After all, the global annual output value of lithium-ion battery anode materials is only more than 10 billion U.S. dollars. This is because graphite is expensive.
Theoretically, even if Umicore paid a sky-high price that Lu Zhou could not refuse, it would not be able to monopolize the production of the product for twenty years and arbitrarily exclude other companies.
"Four hundred million!"
After all, the global annual output value of lithium-ion battery anode materials is only more than 10 billion U.S. dollars. This is because graphite is expensive.
"Four hundred million!"
After taking a deep breath, Lu Zhou slowly spoke.
"During the three-year period, you will enjoy substantial exclusive patent authorization for the global market outside of China, and I will no longer authorize additional third parties. In exchange, you will receive secondary authorizations from third parties. I need to share 50% of the direct or indirect profits, and at the same time bear all corresponding legal obligations and responsibilities."
"Four years at most, this is my bottom line. If we cooperate well after four years, I will consider renewing the contract with you at a new price. Or, I believe that Nichia and 3M will be very satisfied with the same contract. interest."
Especially when he thought that Nichia Chemical might really be able to offer a higher price, many thoughts flashed through his mind, but in the end he relaxed his shoulders and reluctantly made a concession.
However, it would be very unlike him to give up like this.
If this authorization method is followed, Lu Zhou's asset growth this year can only rely on Princeton's annual salary of US$400,000.
Hearing Lu Zhou's words, Carrodite couldn't help but feel a headache.
Seeing that Lu Zhou had no intention of compromising, Carrodite sighed.
As for where the legal boundaries are, case studies need to be conducted based on multiple factors. At the same time, an excellent team of lawyers is needed to cooperate with corporate executives to explore wildly on the edge of danger.
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
For him, this is not just a matter of money, but also 400,000 free experience behind it...
Especially when he thought that Nichia Chemical might really be able to offer a higher price, many thoughts flashed through his mind, but in the end he relaxed his shoulders and reluctantly made a concession.
However, it would be very unlike him to give up like this.
As if he had made some kind of decision, he stared at Lu Zhou with bright eyes and said only one sentence.
Carrodite: "..."
Even for its own interests, it will definitely increase patent licensing fees as much as possible within legal limits and expand its advantages in the anode material market.
Theoretically, even if Umicore paid a sky-high price that Lu Zhou could not refuse, it would not be able to monopolize the production of the product for twenty years and arbitrarily exclude other companies.
Regarding this type of patent, any behavior that may constitute elements of monopoly, such as refusal to grant authorization, price discrimination, and sky-high licensing fees, will trigger antitrust regulations.
joke.
Carrodite, who had just organized the words in his mind, almost choked on Lu Zhou's words.
"Three years is too short. If it is five years, I can accept your proposal. You know, we only spent 10 million US dollars to obtain the authorization of LFP materials from Clariant Group..."
"But have you considered substitutability?" Pretending to smile lightly, Carrodite continued, "We all know that technology is developing very fast. Maybe after a few years, there will be other products with greater potential. When new materials appear, are you sure your patent will still sell for a higher price?"
"Okay, you win, four years is all."
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
If lithium anode materials replace graphite anodes with overwhelming advantages, before similar lithium anode materials appear, modified PDMS film technology will undoubtedly meet the factor of "irreplaceability".
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
It can not only ensure that he can obtain considerable profits in the short term, but also ensure long-term interests.
"It makes no sense to talk about this now," Lu Zhou gently put down the knife and fork in his hand and said in a relaxed tone, "How high can you charge? 10 billion or 20 billion? Lithium battery technology has just started, and the negative electrode material No one can say how big the market will be in the end. Even if I plan to package and sell the patent for modified PDMS films, I won’t do it at this time.”
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
Carrodite, who had just organized the words in his mind, almost choked on Lu Zhou's words.
To put it simply, if a certain patent is "irreplaceable" and causes a company's market share in a certain region to constitute a monopoly, it may face antitrust investigation.
"I'm willing to take that risk."
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
"I'm willing to take that risk."
Taking into account the increase in demand, he can enjoy an "annual salary" of hundreds of millions of dollars with this patent in up to five years.
In this regard, the interests of both parties are aligned.
Theoretically, even if Umicore paid a sky-high price that Lu Zhou could not refuse, it would not be able to monopolize the production of the product for twenty years and arbitrarily exclude other companies.
If this authorization method is followed, Lu Zhou's asset growth this year can only rely on Princeton's annual salary of US$400,000.
Carrodite: "..."
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
If lithium anode materials replace graphite anodes with overwhelming advantages, before similar lithium anode materials appear, modified PDMS film technology will undoubtedly meet the factor of "irreplaceability".
Four hundred million dollars!
Because in addition to the Patent Law, each country has its own Anti-Monopoly Law, which clearly defines the abuse of intellectual property rights.
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
If this authorization method is followed, Lu Zhou's asset growth this year can only rely on Princeton's annual salary of US$400,000.
I finally waited for this sentence.
Hearing this question, Lu Zhou finally showed a satisfied smile.
"There is no comparison." Lu Zhou smiled and shook his head. "LFP material is just a cathode material with cost advantages. And don't think I don't know. The $10 million you mentioned is just the entry threshold. Every ton of LFP you produce For materials, you have to pay US$2,000 to a subsidiary of Clariant Group.”
joke.
After a moment of pause, Lu Zhou spoke out his proposal.
Carrodite: "..."
So, he thought of a compromise.
Hearing this question, Lu Zhou finally showed a satisfied smile.
In this regard, the interests of both parties are aligned.
After being exposed in person, Carrodite's expression did not change at all.
Ten billion is obviously impossible. Lu Zhou reported it casually.
Carrodite originally wanted to fight for it, but he didn't have much bargaining chips. After all, Lu Zhou was not restricted by others in terms of scientific research funding, and he was also a well-known scholar in the academic world.
How much money has the industry spent on lithium anodes? Don’t you have some ideas in mind
To be honest, he was moved.
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
After taking a deep breath, Lu Zhou slowly spoke.
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
After decades of burning so much money, this problem has not been solved. Not necessarily after the funding was cut, but which research institute found a new way to solve this problem
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
In this regard, the interests of both parties are aligned.
For him, this is not just a matter of money, but also 400,000 free experience behind it...
"There is no comparison." Lu Zhou smiled and shook his head. "LFP material is just a cathode material with cost advantages. And don't think I don't know. The $10 million you mentioned is just the entry threshold. Every ton of LFP you produce For materials, you have to pay US$2,000 to a subsidiary of Clariant Group.”
Perfectly hiding the excitement that flashed in his pupils, Carrodite had a troubled expression on his face and hesitated for a moment before speaking.
Regarding this type of patent, any behavior that may constitute elements of monopoly, such as refusal to grant authorization, price discrimination, and sky-high licensing fees, will trigger antitrust regulations.
Although this data corresponds to graphite material and cannot be directly converted into equivalent lithium anode materials, it still has a certain reference value.
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
Because in addition to the Patent Law, each country has its own Anti-Monopoly Law, which clearly defines the abuse of intellectual property rights.
Hearing Lu Zhou's words, Carrodite couldn't help but feel a headache.
After decades of burning so much money, this problem has not been solved. Not necessarily after the funding was cut, but which research institute found a new way to solve this problem
joke.
To put it simply, if a certain patent is "irreplaceable" and causes a company's market share in a certain region to constitute a monopoly, it may face antitrust investigation.
Regarding this type of patent, any behavior that may constitute elements of monopoly, such as refusal to grant authorization, price discrimination, and sky-high licensing fees, will trigger antitrust regulations.
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
Seeing that Lu Zhou had no intention of compromising, Carrodite sighed.
The trouble is, however, that the system's tasks don't wait for anyone.
Maybe the lithium-sulfur battery still lying in the laboratory is worth this price, but it is absolutely impossible for the lithium anode material alone.
"It makes no sense to talk about this now," Lu Zhou gently put down the knife and fork in his hand and said in a relaxed tone, "How high can you charge? 10 billion or 20 billion? Lithium battery technology has just started, and the negative electrode material No one can say how big the market will be in the end. Even if I plan to package and sell the patent for modified PDMS films, I won’t do it at this time.”
After being exposed in person, Carrodite's expression did not change at all.
"There is no comparison." Lu Zhou smiled and shook his head. "LFP material is just a cathode material with cost advantages. And don't think I don't know. The $10 million you mentioned is just the entry threshold. Every ton of LFP you produce For materials, you have to pay US$2,000 to a subsidiary of Clariant Group.”
After all, the global annual output value of lithium-ion battery anode materials is only more than 10 billion U.S. dollars. This is because graphite is expensive.
The estimated global demand for lithium battery anode materials in 2016 is 138,000 tons. Judging from the current statistics, this year's actual demand should be basically consistent with expectations.
"Okay, let's put aside the acquisition for now. At what price do you plan to license the patent?"
"Three years is too short. If it is five years, I can accept your proposal. You know, we only spent 10 million US dollars to obtain the authorization of LFP materials from Clariant Group..."
The last sentence seemed to play a decisive role.
Carrodite, who had just organized the words in his mind, almost choked on Lu Zhou's words.
Lu Zhou's heart skipped a beat when he heard this number.
"Okay, let's put aside the acquisition for now. At what price do you plan to license the patent?"
Hearing this question, Lu Zhou finally showed a satisfied smile.
As if he had made some kind of decision, he stared at Lu Zhou with bright eyes and said only one sentence.
joke.
"Okay, you win, four years is all."
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
If lithium anode materials replace graphite anodes with overwhelming advantages, before similar lithium anode materials appear, modified PDMS film technology will undoubtedly meet the factor of "irreplaceability".
I finally waited for this sentence.
In principle, patents themselves are exclusive and monopolistic, but in the current laws of various countries, the interpretation of exclusivity of intellectual property rights is not unlimited.
After decades of burning so much money, this problem has not been solved. Not necessarily after the funding was cut, but which research institute found a new way to solve this problem
After being exposed in person, Carrodite's expression did not change at all.
After taking a deep breath, Lu Zhou slowly spoke.
After all, with the cost and performance advantages of lithium anode materials, and when safety issues have been properly resolved, the industry may phase out graphite anodes much faster than he imagined.
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
Taking into account the increase in demand, he can enjoy an "annual salary" of hundreds of millions of dollars with this patent in up to five years.
"It makes no sense to talk about this now," Lu Zhou gently put down the knife and fork in his hand and said in a relaxed tone, "How high can you charge? 10 billion or 20 billion? Lithium battery technology has just started, and the negative electrode material No one can say how big the market will be in the end. Even if I plan to package and sell the patent for modified PDMS films, I won’t do it at this time.”
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
I finally waited for this sentence.
To put it simply, if a certain patent is "irreplaceable" and causes a company's market share in a certain region to constitute a monopoly, it may face antitrust investigation.
In principle, patents themselves are exclusive and monopolistic, but in the current laws of various countries, the interpretation of exclusivity of intellectual property rights is not unlimited.
So, he thought of a compromise.
The estimated global demand for lithium battery anode materials in 2016 is 138,000 tons. Judging from the current statistics, this year's actual demand should be basically consistent with expectations.
After being exposed in person, Carrodite's expression did not change at all.
"In the global market except China, I am willing to grant you the right to use the modified PDMS film patent for three years and the agency right at a price of US$200 million."
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
"Four hundred million!"
Although this data corresponds to graphite material and cannot be directly converted into equivalent lithium anode materials, it still has a certain reference value.
joke.
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
"Okay, you win, four years is all."
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
To be honest, he was moved.
In principle, patents themselves are exclusive and monopolistic, but in the current laws of various countries, the interpretation of exclusivity of intellectual property rights is not unlimited.
"Okay, you win, four years is all."
After all, with the cost and performance advantages of lithium anode materials, and when safety issues have been properly resolved, the industry may phase out graphite anodes much faster than he imagined.
For Lu Zhou, the most profit-maximizing cooperation method is undoubtedly to charge a patent fee based on a certain proportion of the cost of each ton of materials.
If lithium anode materials replace graphite anodes with overwhelming advantages, before similar lithium anode materials appear, modified PDMS film technology will undoubtedly meet the factor of "irreplaceability".
For Lu Zhou, the most profit-maximizing cooperation method is undoubtedly to charge a patent fee based on a certain proportion of the cost of each ton of materials.
In principle, patents themselves are exclusive and monopolistic, but in the current laws of various countries, the interpretation of exclusivity of intellectual property rights is not unlimited.
As for where the legal boundaries are, case studies need to be conducted based on multiple factors. At the same time, an excellent team of lawyers is needed to cooperate with corporate executives to explore wildly on the edge of danger.
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
Lu Zhou's heart skipped a beat when he heard this number.
Carrodite: "..."
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
Taking into account the increase in demand, he can enjoy an "annual salary" of hundreds of millions of dollars with this patent in up to five years.
"I asked straight to the point. I wonder if Professor Lu has any plans to sell the patent?"
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
After a moment of pause, Lu Zhou spoke out his proposal.
Seeing that Lu Zhou had no intention of compromising, Carrodite sighed.
The last sentence seemed to play a decisive role.
The trouble is, however, that the system's tasks don't wait for anyone.
The trouble is, however, that the system's tasks don't wait for anyone.
The trouble is, however, that the system's tasks don't wait for anyone.
Even for its own interests, it will definitely increase patent licensing fees as much as possible within legal limits and expand its advantages in the anode material market.
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
If this authorization method is followed, Lu Zhou's asset growth this year can only rely on Princeton's annual salary of US$400,000.
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
As for where the legal boundaries are, case studies need to be conducted based on multiple factors. At the same time, an excellent team of lawyers is needed to cooperate with corporate executives to explore wildly on the edge of danger.
"There is no comparison." Lu Zhou smiled and shook his head. "LFP material is just a cathode material with cost advantages. And don't think I don't know. The $10 million you mentioned is just the entry threshold. Every ton of LFP you produce For materials, you have to pay US$2,000 to a subsidiary of Clariant Group.”
After a moment of pause, Lu Zhou spoke out his proposal.
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
So, he thought of a compromise.
In this regard, the interests of both parties are aligned.
The more talented people speak with strength, the more they hate glib words.
Maybe the lithium-sulfur battery still lying in the laboratory is worth this price, but it is absolutely impossible for the lithium anode material alone.
He coughed twice to hide his embarrassment. He reorganized his words and tried to persuade: "Aren't you going to ask about the price? What if our quotation can satisfy you?"
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
"There is no comparison." Lu Zhou smiled and shook his head. "LFP material is just a cathode material with cost advantages. And don't think I don't know. The $10 million you mentioned is just the entry threshold. Every ton of LFP you produce For materials, you have to pay US$2,000 to a subsidiary of Clariant Group.”
It can not only ensure that he can obtain considerable profits in the short term, but also ensure long-term interests.
"During the three-year period, you will enjoy substantial exclusive patent authorization for the global market outside of China, and I will no longer authorize additional third parties. In exchange, you will receive secondary authorizations from third parties. I need to share 50% of the direct or indirect profits, and at the same time bear all corresponding legal obligations and responsibilities."
However, when he heard Lu Zhou talking about the latter part, a hint of surprise or excitement suddenly flashed in his eyes.
He coughed twice to hide his embarrassment. He reorganized his words and tried to persuade: "Aren't you going to ask about the price? What if our quotation can satisfy you?"
Carrodite originally wanted to fight for it, but he didn't have much bargaining chips. After all, Lu Zhou was not restricted by others in terms of scientific research funding, and he was also a well-known scholar in the academic world.
Carrodite, who had just organized the words in his mind, almost choked on Lu Zhou's words.
To put it simply, if a certain patent is "irreplaceable" and causes a company's market share in a certain region to constitute a monopoly, it may face antitrust investigation.
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
After a moment of pause, Lu Zhou spoke out his proposal.
joke.
Although this data corresponds to graphite material and cannot be directly converted into equivalent lithium anode materials, it still has a certain reference value.
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
"In the global market except China, I am willing to grant you the right to use the modified PDMS film patent for three years and the agency right at a price of US$200 million."
For Lu Zhou, the most profit-maximizing cooperation method is undoubtedly to charge a patent fee based on a certain proportion of the cost of each ton of materials.
Especially when he thought that Nichia Chemical might really be able to offer a higher price, many thoughts flashed through his mind, but in the end he relaxed his shoulders and reluctantly made a concession.
Maybe the lithium-sulfur battery still lying in the laboratory is worth this price, but it is absolutely impossible for the lithium anode material alone.
He coughed twice to hide his embarrassment. He reorganized his words and tried to persuade: "Aren't you going to ask about the price? What if our quotation can satisfy you?"
Perfectly hiding the excitement that flashed in his pupils, Carrodite had a troubled expression on his face and hesitated for a moment before speaking.
joke.
"During the three-year period, you will enjoy substantial exclusive patent authorization for the global market outside of China, and I will no longer authorize additional third parties. In exchange, you will receive secondary authorizations from third parties. I need to share 50% of the direct or indirect profits, and at the same time bear all corresponding legal obligations and responsibilities."
Ten billion is obviously impossible. Lu Zhou reported it casually.
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
I finally waited for this sentence.
"It makes no sense to talk about this now," Lu Zhou gently put down the knife and fork in his hand and said in a relaxed tone, "How high can you charge? 10 billion or 20 billion? Lithium battery technology has just started, and the negative electrode material No one can say how big the market will be in the end. Even if I plan to package and sell the patent for modified PDMS films, I won’t do it at this time.”
"But have you considered substitutability?" Pretending to smile lightly, Carrodite continued, "We all know that technology is developing very fast. Maybe after a few years, there will be other products with greater potential. When new materials appear, are you sure your patent will still sell for a higher price?"
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
After being exposed in person, Carrodite's expression did not change at all.
Maybe the lithium-sulfur battery still lying in the laboratory is worth this price, but it is absolutely impossible for the lithium anode material alone.
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
"But have you considered substitutability?" Pretending to smile lightly, Carrodite continued, "We all know that technology is developing very fast. Maybe after a few years, there will be other products with greater potential. When new materials appear, are you sure your patent will still sell for a higher price?"
"No."
Seeing that Lu Zhou had no intention of compromising, Carrodite sighed.
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
Ten billion is obviously impossible. Lu Zhou reported it casually.
However, when he heard Lu Zhou talking about the latter part, a hint of surprise or excitement suddenly flashed in his eyes.
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
If lithium anode materials replace graphite anodes with overwhelming advantages, before similar lithium anode materials appear, modified PDMS film technology will undoubtedly meet the factor of "irreplaceability".
In principle, patents themselves are exclusive and monopolistic, but in the current laws of various countries, the interpretation of exclusivity of intellectual property rights is not unlimited.
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
Carrodite, who had just organized the words in his mind, almost choked on Lu Zhou's words.
In principle, patents themselves are exclusive and monopolistic, but in the current laws of various countries, the interpretation of exclusivity of intellectual property rights is not unlimited.
"I asked straight to the point. I wonder if Professor Lu has any plans to sell the patent?"
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
Theoretically, even if Umicore paid a sky-high price that Lu Zhou could not refuse, it would not be able to monopolize the production of the product for twenty years and arbitrarily exclude other companies.
"Four hundred million!"
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
Hearing this question, Lu Zhou finally showed a satisfied smile.
The estimated global demand for lithium battery anode materials in 2016 is 138,000 tons. Judging from the current statistics, this year's actual demand should be basically consistent with expectations.
Because in addition to the Patent Law, each country has its own Anti-Monopoly Law, which clearly defines the abuse of intellectual property rights.
To be honest, he was moved.
Because in addition to the Patent Law, each country has its own Anti-Monopoly Law, which clearly defines the abuse of intellectual property rights.
The trouble is, however, that the system's tasks don't wait for anyone.
The trouble is, however, that the system's tasks don't wait for anyone.
Especially when he thought that Nichia Chemical might really be able to offer a higher price, many thoughts flashed through his mind, but in the end he relaxed his shoulders and reluctantly made a concession.
In principle, patents themselves are exclusive and monopolistic, but in the current laws of various countries, the interpretation of exclusivity of intellectual property rights is not unlimited.
I finally waited for this sentence.
To put it simply, if a certain patent is "irreplaceable" and causes a company's market share in a certain region to constitute a monopoly, it may face antitrust investigation.
The last sentence seemed to play a decisive role.
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
To be honest, he was moved.
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
If lithium anode materials replace graphite anodes with overwhelming advantages, before similar lithium anode materials appear, modified PDMS film technology will undoubtedly meet the factor of "irreplaceability".
joke.
"No."
Perfectly hiding the excitement that flashed in his pupils, Carrodite had a troubled expression on his face and hesitated for a moment before speaking.
"Okay, you win, four years is all."
Hearing Lu Zhou's words, Carrodite couldn't help but feel a headache.
Regarding this type of patent, any behavior that may constitute elements of monopoly, such as refusal to grant authorization, price discrimination, and sky-high licensing fees, will trigger antitrust regulations.
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
Carrodite originally wanted to fight for it, but he didn't have much bargaining chips. After all, Lu Zhou was not restricted by others in terms of scientific research funding, and he was also a well-known scholar in the academic world.
As for where the legal boundaries are, case studies need to be conducted based on multiple factors. At the same time, an excellent team of lawyers is needed to cooperate with corporate executives to explore wildly on the edge of danger.
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
After decades of burning so much money, this problem has not been solved. Not necessarily after the funding was cut, but which research institute found a new way to solve this problem
In this regard, the interests of both parties are aligned.
I finally waited for this sentence.
To be honest, he was moved.
Taking into account the increase in demand, he can enjoy an "annual salary" of hundreds of millions of dollars with this patent in up to five years.
With Lu Zhou's current ability, he would definitely not be able to perform these tricks.
I finally waited for this sentence.
"In the global market except China, I am willing to grant you the right to use the modified PDMS film patent for three years and the agency right at a price of US$200 million."
As for where the legal boundaries are, case studies need to be conducted based on multiple factors. At the same time, an excellent team of lawyers is needed to cooperate with corporate executives to explore wildly on the edge of danger.
"During the three-year period, you will enjoy substantial exclusive patent authorization for the global market outside of China, and I will no longer authorize additional third parties. In exchange, you will receive secondary authorizations from third parties. I need to share 50% of the direct or indirect profits, and at the same time bear all corresponding legal obligations and responsibilities."
But Umicore is different.
Over the past three years, Lu Zhou has been able to continue to receive considerable patent licensing fees, and Umicore has been able to gain the market competitiveness it wants.
For Lu Zhou, the most profit-maximizing cooperation method is undoubtedly to charge a patent fee based on a certain proportion of the cost of each ton of materials.
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
joke.
Maybe the lithium-sulfur battery still lying in the laboratory is worth this price, but it is absolutely impossible for the lithium anode material alone.
Even for its own interests, it will definitely increase patent licensing fees as much as possible within legal limits and expand its advantages in the anode material market.
If this authorization method is followed, Lu Zhou's asset growth this year can only rely on Princeton's annual salary of US$400,000.
"Okay, let's put aside the acquisition for now. At what price do you plan to license the patent?"
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
Over the past three years, Lu Zhou has been able to continue to receive considerable patent licensing fees, and Umicore has been able to gain the market competitiveness it wants.
Hearing Lu Zhou's words, Carrodite couldn't help but feel a headache.
Hearing this question, Lu Zhou finally showed a satisfied smile.
In this regard, the interests of both parties are aligned.
Although this data corresponds to graphite material and cannot be directly converted into equivalent lithium anode materials, it still has a certain reference value.
So when he introduced himself, he didn't go around too much and directly told Lu Zhou that he was the CEO of Umicore. After handing over his business card, he explained his purpose.
However, it would be very unlike him to give up like this.
Perfectly hiding the excitement that flashed in his pupils, Carrodite had a troubled expression on his face and hesitated for a moment before speaking.
Four hundred million dollars!
"Okay, you win, four years is all."
"No."
"It makes no sense to talk about this now," Lu Zhou gently put down the knife and fork in his hand and said in a relaxed tone, "How high can you charge? 10 billion or 20 billion? Lithium battery technology has just started, and the negative electrode material No one can say how big the market will be in the end. Even if I plan to package and sell the patent for modified PDMS films, I won’t do it at this time.”
"Three years is too short. If it is five years, I can accept your proposal. You know, we only spent 10 million US dollars to obtain the authorization of LFP materials from Clariant Group..."
For Lu Zhou, the most profit-maximizing cooperation method is undoubtedly to charge a patent fee based on a certain proportion of the cost of each ton of materials.
It can not only ensure that he can obtain considerable profits in the short term, but also ensure long-term interests.
Ten billion is obviously impossible. Lu Zhou reported it casually.
After decades of burning so much money, this problem has not been solved. Not necessarily after the funding was cut, but which research institute found a new way to solve this problem
"There is no comparison." Lu Zhou smiled and shook his head. "LFP material is just a cathode material with cost advantages. And don't think I don't know. The $10 million you mentioned is just the entry threshold. Every ton of LFP you produce For materials, you have to pay US$2,000 to a subsidiary of Clariant Group.”
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
For him, this is not just a matter of money, but also 400,000 free experience behind it...
Carrodite originally wanted to fight for it, but he didn't have much bargaining chips. After all, Lu Zhou was not restricted by others in terms of scientific research funding, and he was also a well-known scholar in the academic world.
After being exposed in person, Carrodite's expression did not change at all.
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
I finally waited for this sentence.
Hearing this question, Lu Zhou finally showed a satisfied smile.
Theoretically, even if Umicore paid a sky-high price that Lu Zhou could not refuse, it would not be able to monopolize the production of the product for twenty years and arbitrarily exclude other companies.
Seeing that Lu Zhou had no intention of compromising, Carrodite sighed.
As if he had made some kind of decision, he stared at Lu Zhou with bright eyes and said only one sentence.
The more talented people speak with strength, the more they hate glib words.
"During the three-year period, you will enjoy substantial exclusive patent authorization for the global market outside of China, and I will no longer authorize additional third parties. In exchange, you will receive secondary authorizations from third parties. I need to share 50% of the direct or indirect profits, and at the same time bear all corresponding legal obligations and responsibilities."
"No."
The trouble is, however, that the system's tasks don't wait for anyone.
"Four hundred million!"
In principle, patents themselves are exclusive and monopolistic, but in the current laws of various countries, the interpretation of exclusivity of intellectual property rights is not unlimited.
"Four years at most, this is my bottom line. If we cooperate well after four years, I will consider renewing the contract with you at a new price. Or, I believe that Nichia and 3M will be very satisfied with the same contract. interest."
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
Lu Zhou's heart skipped a beat when he heard this number.
But Umicore is different.
"During the three-year period, you will enjoy substantial exclusive patent authorization for the global market outside of China, and I will no longer authorize additional third parties. In exchange, you will receive secondary authorizations from third parties. I need to share 50% of the direct or indirect profits, and at the same time bear all corresponding legal obligations and responsibilities."
After all, with the cost and performance advantages of lithium anode materials, and when safety issues have been properly resolved, the industry may phase out graphite anodes much faster than he imagined.
Four hundred million dollars!
Ten billion is obviously impossible. Lu Zhou reported it casually.
"In the global market except China, I am willing to grant you the right to use the modified PDMS film patent for three years and the agency right at a price of US$200 million."
If this authorization method is followed, Lu Zhou's asset growth this year can only rely on Princeton's annual salary of US$400,000.
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
"But have you considered substitutability?" Pretending to smile lightly, Carrodite continued, "We all know that technology is developing very fast. Maybe after a few years, there will be other products with greater potential. When new materials appear, are you sure your patent will still sell for a higher price?"
"There is no comparison." Lu Zhou smiled and shook his head. "LFP material is just a cathode material with cost advantages. And don't think I don't know. The $10 million you mentioned is just the entry threshold. Every ton of LFP you produce For materials, you have to pay US$2,000 to a subsidiary of Clariant Group.”
After decades of burning so much money, this problem has not been solved. Not necessarily after the funding was cut, but which research institute found a new way to solve this problem
For him, this is not just a matter of money, but also 400,000 free experience behind it...
After taking a deep breath, Lu Zhou slowly spoke.
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
"Okay, you win, four years is all."
Four hundred million dollars!
Over the past three years, Lu Zhou has been able to continue to receive considerable patent licensing fees, and Umicore has been able to gain the market competitiveness it wants.
"But have you considered substitutability?" Pretending to smile lightly, Carrodite continued, "We all know that technology is developing very fast. Maybe after a few years, there will be other products with greater potential. When new materials appear, are you sure your patent will still sell for a higher price?"
"But have you considered substitutability?" Pretending to smile lightly, Carrodite continued, "We all know that technology is developing very fast. Maybe after a few years, there will be other products with greater potential. When new materials appear, are you sure your patent will still sell for a higher price?"
Because his work requires frequent contact with R&D personnel, Carrodite understands the way these people speak and do things.
To be honest, he was moved.
As for where the legal boundaries are, case studies need to be conducted based on multiple factors. At the same time, an excellent team of lawyers is needed to cooperate with corporate executives to explore wildly on the edge of danger.
"Four hundred million!"
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
For Lu Zhou, the most profit-maximizing cooperation method is undoubtedly to charge a patent fee based on a certain proportion of the cost of each ton of materials.
This possibility is not impossible, but it is low enough to be ignored.
After taking a deep breath, Lu Zhou slowly spoke.
"I'm willing to take that risk."
Hearing Lu Zhou's words, Carrodite couldn't help but feel a headache.
"Four years at most, this is my bottom line. If we cooperate well after four years, I will consider renewing the contract with you at a new price. Or, I believe that Nichia and 3M will be very satisfied with the same contract. interest."
"During the three-year period, you will enjoy substantial exclusive patent authorization for the global market outside of China, and I will no longer authorize additional third parties. In exchange, you will receive secondary authorizations from third parties. I need to share 50% of the direct or indirect profits, and at the same time bear all corresponding legal obligations and responsibilities."
Because in addition to the Patent Law, each country has its own Anti-Monopoly Law, which clearly defines the abuse of intellectual property rights.
Seeing that the Belgian brother stopped talking, Lu Zhou remained silent and peeled the lobster.
For Lu Zhou, the most profit-maximizing cooperation method is undoubtedly to charge a patent fee based on a certain proportion of the cost of each ton of materials.
"Four hundred million!"
"Four years at most, this is my bottom line. If we cooperate well after four years, I will consider renewing the contract with you at a new price. Or, I believe that Nichia and 3M will be very satisfied with the same contract. interest."
Maybe the lithium-sulfur battery still lying in the laboratory is worth this price, but it is absolutely impossible for the lithium anode material alone.
This attitude of asking for a high price clearly meant that he was not interested in discussing the sale with him.
Because in addition to the Patent Law, each country has its own Anti-Monopoly Law, which clearly defines the abuse of intellectual property rights.
Maybe the lithium-sulfur battery still lying in the laboratory is worth this price, but it is absolutely impossible for the lithium anode material alone.
However, when he heard Lu Zhou talking about the latter part, a hint of surprise or excitement suddenly flashed in his eyes.
Hearing Lu Zhou's words, Carrodite couldn't help but feel a headache.
Lu Zhou's heart skipped a beat when he heard this number.
The last sentence seemed to play a decisive role.
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
How much money has the industry spent on lithium anodes? Don’t you have some ideas in mind
When he heard the offer of 200 million US dollars, Carrodite was a little disapproving.
Regarding this type of patent, any behavior that may constitute elements of monopoly, such as refusal to grant authorization, price discrimination, and sky-high licensing fees, will trigger antitrust regulations.
Especially when he thought that Nichia Chemical might really be able to offer a higher price, many thoughts flashed through his mind, but in the end he relaxed his shoulders and reluctantly made a concession.
This multinational chemical giant is more familiar with things within the rules than he is.
"But have you considered substitutability?" Pretending to smile lightly, Carrodite continued, "We all know that technology is developing very fast. Maybe after a few years, there will be other products with greater potential. When new materials appear, are you sure your patent will still sell for a higher price?"
Carrodite originally wanted to fight for it, but he didn't have much bargaining chips. After all, Lu Zhou was not restricted by others in terms of scientific research funding, and he was also a well-known scholar in the academic world.
Carrodite, who had just organized the words in his mind, almost choked on Lu Zhou's words.
But Umicore is different.
Especially when he thought that Nichia Chemical might really be able to offer a higher price, many thoughts flashed through his mind, but in the end he relaxed his shoulders and reluctantly made a concession.
However, Lu Zhou just smiled and did not show any concerns about the future described by Carrodite.
But Umicore is different.
"Okay, you win, four years is all."
In fact, he was considering this issue as early as two months ago, and even did some research on the lithium battery market.
"I'm willing to take that risk."