This time Spex looked very gentleman, "As for Sulawesi, the East India Company only established a base in the south, and the development of land is limited to the southern Makassar area. I know that the Han people are already engaged in Manado in the north. Trading activities, if Daming is interested, we can jointly operate this island, but..."
"But what? What do you think the Governor-General has, I might as well say it all at once." Zheng Zhilong spread his right hand and made a "please" gesture to Spex.
"The Han people only started activities in the northernmost region, and our East India Company has established a large number of strongholds in the south, and has the actual management rights of a large amount of land." Speks glanced at Zheng Zhilong and saw Zheng Zhilong's face calm. Go on with the courage, "To be fair, 70% of the land in the south belongs to the Netherlands, and 30% of the land in the north can be transferred to Daming."
Spex’s true meaning is that the Dutch first came to Sulawesi, which should belong to the Netherlands, but since Zheng Zhilong is here, he will not be able to taste the sweetness, he will definitely not give up, so he divided a part of the land, but He didn't want to operate with Daming. The Han population was too large, and with the support of the South China Sea Fleet, if he managed these lands together with Daming, the Hans would certainly continue to erode the interests of the East India Company in the future.
If Zheng Zhilong is strong, he can give up the ownership of the entire Sulawesi Island. After all, this is the latest land developed by the East India Company, and most of the land is not yet matured.
This is the skill of negotiation. Spex took the initiative to put forward his own ideas. Even his own thoughts are very overbearing, but he will have an advantage in his heart. Zheng Zhilong can't object to this, right
Zheng Zhilong laughed secretly in his heart, this Spex is more greedy than himself, and almost all of the four disputed areas are occupied by him. Did he work so hard to come here just for a cup of tea? Although we still don't fully know Spex's hole card, this hole card is not important at all to Zheng Zhilong.
He only needs to know his hole cards.
Zheng Zhilong stared at Spex’s blue eyes very rudely, until the other's eyes showed timidity, and then slowly said: "Your Excellency, I think there should be some principles for determining the ownership of these lands, not just talking. If there is no sincerity and no consideration of the actual situation, there is no need for the negotiation to proceed."
"Principles? Commander Zheng, tell me, what are the principles?" Speks had a feeling that Zheng Zhilong wanted to overturn all his claims instead of tinkering on the basis of his decision.
Zheng Zhilong took a sip of tea, moistened his throat, and then said: "If the Dutch now have the right to manage these islands, these islands will always belong to the Netherlands. Then I would like to ask the Governor, are the Dutch natives on these islands? Dutch people. How did you get the management rights of these islands?"
These islands were basically captured by the Dutch by force from Portugal, Spain, or local indigenous people. Because their strength was stronger than them, the Dutch did not talk to them about the actual management rights, but directly sent troops to expel their opponents.
Now the Dutch are about to become the next Portugal and Spain, and they will face the stronger Ming.
Sperkes’ head started to sweat, he felt cold all over, Zheng Zhilong said rightly, since the Netherlands can expel Portugal and Spain by force, Daming can also expel the Netherlands by force, but the army in his hand is far away. Not a Da Ming opponent.
If you really want to use force to solve the problem, I am afraid that even the island of Java cannot be saved.
Portugal and Spain completely withdrew from Nanyang in front of Daming’s force. After calmly thinking for a while, Spex still decided to negotiate, but he wanted to see Zheng Zhilong’s trump card, "Then, according to Commander Zheng, how to divide these four Piece of land?"
"It's very simple, based on distance, history, and strength." With Zheng Zhilong's character, he really hopes to face off on the battlefield, happily and enmity. The strength of the Daming South China Sea Fleet now far exceeds the Dutch East India Company, just like Portugal and Spain. After the victory of the war, he used force to intimidate the Netherlands, and he was not afraid that Spex would run into the sky.
But Zheng Zhilong also understands that he is no longer a pirate leader now. He is the supreme commander of the Daming South China Sea Fleet. Zhu Youjian's warnings are listed here.
According to Zhu Youjian, Daming is too far away from Europe, and now he does not have absolute advantage over Europe, but Daming’s footprint will sooner or later set foot on Europe, the most developed and most active land in the world. Today, he was bullied in Nanyang. When a country goes to Europe tomorrow, they will be Daming’s enemies.
Therefore, the best way is not to completely expel the Europeans by force, but to use strength as a backing, negotiate with the Europeans, and strive for the greatest benefits under the premise of peace.
When Daming has accumulated enough strength and international prestige, Nanyang's strength will be shuffled again, depending on who can obtain sufficient strength in the future development.
The South China Sea Fleet seized Luzon and Malacca by force. It was a matter of urgency. Luzon was Daming’s foothold in Southeast Asia. Malacca was the main traffic channel for controlling East-West trade. They were both indispensable. Even so, Daming still Willing to close the palace in a peaceful way.
Zheng Zhilong's current bottom line is to threaten with force to make Daming perfect layout in the South Seas, instead of expelling the Dutch by force, unless they don't open their eyes.
"What is distance, history, and strength?" Spikes vaguely worried about Zheng Zhilong's words. It seemed that a few words would obliterate the actual management rights of the East India Company in the Nanyang region.
"The so-called distance refers to the distance between these pieces of land and the Netherlands and Daming. The Dutch mainland is in Europe, tens of thousands of miles away from the South China Sea, and Daming is close at hand. So from the distance, it will be clear who this place belongs to."
"Commander Zheng..."
Zheng Zhilong waved his hand and told Spex to shut up, "The so-called history is the historical relationship between these lands and the Netherlands and Daming. As early as when Zheng He sailed to the West, Da Ming’s ocean-going ships visited these places and established It passed through trading bases and conducted legal trade. Later, Portugal and Spain successively invaded these places, and Daming’s trading activities were forced to be interrupted. Now Daming’s South China Sea Fleet has only returned to these places. For the Netherlands, although it is for these lands There is de facto management power, but this is after the expulsion of Portugal and Spain, much later than Daming."
"Does the strength mentioned by Commander Zheng refer to military strength?" Spex finally inserted.
"As for strength, it refers to the strength of the entire country, including military strength, of course." Zheng Zhilong glanced at Spex, provoking a lot. "Da Ming's strength lies here. It is obviously better than the Netherlands. It is really necessary to proceed. In war, Java Island will also be Daming’s target."
"Is Commander Zheng threatening me?" Spikes retreated from advancement.
Zheng Zhilong gave a very clear answer from Spex: "No, Daming is unwilling to go to war with the Netherlands. We hope to resolve territorial disputes by peaceful means, but if the peace that Daming hopes cannot be achieved, the final way to solve the problem is. , It can only be war, speak with strength."
Zheng Zhilong did not have clear negotiation demands like Spex. He only put forward the principles for solving the problem. According to these principles, the ownership of these islands is also very clear. The actual and effective management emphasized by Spex is completely clear by Zheng Zhilong. Shattered.
In particular, according to historical principles, these disputed islands should all belong to the Ming Dynasty, and the Dutch are not enough South Sea invaders.
Although Zheng Zhilong secretly changed the concept of effective management, for example, when Zheng He sailed to the West, although he established trade warehouses in some places, he did not exercise de facto occupation of these lands and did not form de facto management rights.
This is completely different from the Dutch who completely dismembered and wiped out these small independent countries on the land.
The trading warehouse established by Zheng He is not even an overseas military base, and it is fundamentally different from the trading base established by the Dutch.
But Zheng Zhilong is not worried. If Spex raises these literal problems, he will ask Spex to restore the historical state of Nanyang. That is, Ming will continue to build a trading warehouse in Nanyang, and the Dutch will need to leave. Nanyang completely interrupted East-West trade and returned to the European mainland.
Speks really did not struggle with this issue. Zheng Zhilong's historical theory has made him realize whether the Dutch rule in the Southeast Asia is legal? In other words, who allowed the Dutch to have management rights in this area
Zheng Zhilong's advantage in his heart was disintegrated at this moment.
If the Dutch relied on a powerful military force to obtain the management power of the Southeast Asian region, then a more powerful Daming could completely seize the management power of these regions from the Dutch, and then form the de facto management power, the weak and the strong, the Netherlands This is how people did it before.
The Netherlands is a small country with a more developed shipbuilding industry and commerce. Compared with Daming, even if the whole country is devoted to it, it may not be an opponent. Moreover, the Netherlands is far away from Southeast Asia, surrounded by Portugal, Spain, Great Britain, and France. The government It is impossible to send all the navies to Nanyang.
Fortunately, Zheng Zhilong did not choose war. He is seeking to solve the problem in a peaceful way.
Spex decided to seize this rare opportunity.
"If the ownership of the land is resolved by means of war, it will not be beneficial to both parties. The East India Company came to Nanyang to seek wealth rather than to test force with Daming, so I am willing to work with Commander Zheng to solve the problem in a peaceful way. As the governor of the East India Company, to participate in this negotiation in person is an expression of sincerity in itself."
"The sincerity of the peace talks is not in the mouth, but in the action, in the plan of dividing the land," Zheng Zhilong gave Spex with a meaningful look. "Since the Governor has the sincerity of the peace talks, please let go. Your sincerity comes."