After waiting for three days, neither No. 2 nor No. 3 had any more acne. The three imperial physicians breathed a sigh of relief, and put the scabs collected from them into bottles, then labeled them and sealed them up.
The two still stayed in this house to recuperate, while Man Bao and the others went to change and wash before entering the palace to meet the emperor.
They brought with them the notes they had jotted down these days.
The emperor didn't know much about medical skills, so he specially recruited several ministers to listen with him, especially Mr. Tang, who had a background in criminal cases and knew more about medical skills.
As a representative, Xiao Yuanzheng explained the experimental data during this period in detail.
The emperor flipped through the pulse case on the table, handed it to Gu Zhong, and asked him to show it to the adults below.
Wei Zhixian looked at the start time and asked, "That is to say, it's only been fifteen days since the vaccination."
"Yes," Xiao Yuanzheng said, "But in fact, they only have acne for five to nine days, which is also within the onset time of smallpox patients, but on average, the acne time is slightly lower than the overall acne time. "
Man Bao added: "It is also because the number of people we tested is too small, so this data may not be very accurate."
The emperor and several ministers heard her implying that she wanted more people to do experiments.
The emperor knocked on the table, "That is to say, vaccination is indeed effective, and people who have been infected with smallpox will indeed not get smallpox again."
Wei Zhi thought about the risks and poured a bucket of ice water on him, "Your Majesty, one of the three people died. This ratio is still too large. Even in a war, so many people may die. Think again."
Man Bao immediately said: "Yes, human pox is still not safe enough, so I want to go to the Western Regions to find a method for vaccinia. I heard that vaccinia is much safer than human pox. Please help me."
Man Bao gave a deep bow.
The emperor waved his hand and said, "Let's discuss this matter again. There is no rush. It's only the end of February. By the way, this number three seems to be much safer. Let's try again with the pimples on his body?"
Man Bao and Xiao Yuan looked at each other and said: "Yes, I think so too, and then compare it with No. 2 to know whether the toxicity of acne scabs is smaller and safer. I will know in the future How to select the right pox pulp for planting."
Xiao Yuan was answering the words: "It's just that there are no prisoners sentenced to beheaded in the prison of the Ministry of Punishment, and there are not many prisoners sentenced to hang, so..."
The emperor looked at Old Master Tang and the Secretary of the Ministry of Punishment, and said, "Then why don't you ask other serious offenders, and if there are those who dare to obey their orders, their punishments can be reduced or reduced."
Old Master Tang frowned, disagreeing with such a reward rule, he said: "Your Majesty, the criminals who will be sentenced to felony crimes are all extremely vicious people. If they are released, it will be a great harm to the people, and it will be unfair to the victims."
So he has always opposed the proposal that the emperor should amnesty the world if he does good deeds.
Wei Zhi also thought so, and also expressed his opposition.
The emperor said: "Since you want people's lives to be used as experiments, you can't give them no benefits at all. Who will do that?"
"Then we can't let them go because of this. If they go out and harm the neighbors, who will the suffering people reason with? The law is the law, and it cannot be changed too much."
The emperor was a little angry, "If the vaccination method can really be tested, it will be a matter of great merit, so why give up this method?"
Seeing that they were about to quarrel, Man Bao hurriedly said: "Your Majesty, there must be brave men under great benefits, but heavy gifts don't necessarily mean letting them go, you can give them other benefits."
She said: "I think the food in the prison is terrible. You can tell them that if they are recruited, the prisoner will provide them with three meals for ten or twenty years. Each meal will include fish, meat and eggs; From a thousand miles to a thousand miles, give some money; by the way, why don’t you give money before, so that they want to spend the money to redeem their sins or use it for food and drink, it’s up to them.”
The emperor immediately said: "Yes, this method is good."
Old Lord Tang and Wei Zhi stopped talking, and looked at the Minister of the Ministry of Justice together. The Minister of the Ministry of Justice touched his chin and said, "It's not impossible, but how much money is appropriate?"
While talking, he glanced at Liu Shangshu and said: "Our Ministry of Punishment has a small budget this year. If we promise it with high profits, then we have to allocate funds from the Ministry of Household Affairs."
Liu Shangshu from the household department didn't expect that the fire would come to him. Didn't he just come to listen
Hearing what Shangshu of the Ministry of Justice said, he couldn't help saying: "The national treasury can't lay golden eggs by itself. Last year was already difficult. This year, all the ministries need money, and the holes owed last year have to be plugged. How can there be any extra money?" ?”
The Secretary of the Ministry of Punishment said: "If the Ministry of Households can't even get the money, then our Ministry of Punishments can't even get it."
Old Master Tang helped the Minister of Criminal Affairs, "You have to take some out, otherwise you will really let them go? When they commit crimes again, the Ministry of Criminal Justice will arrest people again, and it will cost a lot of money."
Officials of the Ministry of Punishment also have money to take on business trips, which are also included in their salaries, and they also need to be paid by the Ministry of Households.
Liu Shangshu glanced at the three people in the Imperial Hospital, and said with a hum: "At most one hundred taels, there will be no more."
So stingy!
It's just that the three of Manbao still calculated in their hearts how many prisoners this hundred taels would be enough to invite. One person is not considered sick, and he has to eat and drink well for a month. It costs about five hundred taels, and that year is about five taels. Even if it is only counted as food for ten years, it would still have to go to fifty taels, so wouldn't they be able to hire two prisoners
No, no, it's definitely not enough.
She and Doctor Lu of Xiao Yuanzheng calculated in private that the next second experiment would require at least twelve patients, three age groups, four people in each age group, and a kind of acne scab should be planted on two people of the same age at the same time. Only in this way can we compare the experimental data.
In fact, it is still too small. If there are enough people, it should be ten times larger.
However, they felt that even in the prison of the Ministry of Criminal Justice, they might not be able to find so many repeat offenders willing to do this experiment.
But it seemed a bit difficult to get the household department to pay six hundred taels, so Man Bao said: "One hundred taels is too little, at least one thousand taels."
Liu Shangshu couldn't help but choked when he saw that she had doubled the amount ten times. Although in the court, everyone always asked for the price and paid back the money on the spot, but they would not call for more than ten times as soon as they came up.
Man Bao settled a bill for him, and the prisoners had to be willing to do experiments for them, at least they had to provide food for the other party for ten years, right
So the two talked about the current prices.
The emperor and all the ministers watched the two of them come and go. They had already said that today’s vegetables cost six cents a catty, and the man said: “That’s because it’s the beginning of spring and vegetables are scarce. Look at summer and autumn. A catty of vegetables can cost up to two Wen."